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temperatura acqua 1600D [CS]

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15 Anni 2 Settimane fa #41572 da Pipinot
Risposta da Pipinot al topic temperatura acqua 1600D [CS]
Grazie amedeox: proverò.
Per capire se si tratta solo di indicazione sballata, pensavo di fare questa prova: potrei aspettare di leggere la temperatura quando entra in funzione la ventola, ammesso che il relè che la comanda non legga proprio dalla lancetta :-(
Ha senso? A voi in che posizione della lancetta entra in funzione la ventola?

Proprietario di Lucio Soffiettato, 1600D, classe 1983
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15 Anni 2 Settimane fa #41582 da Defer
Risposta da Defer al topic temperatura acqua 1600D [CS]
Ciao Pipinot
Per testare un problema sull termostato prova dopo aver acceso il motore (e aspettato qualche minuto) a mettere la mano sui due tubi che portano l'acqua al radiatore (li distingui bene dall'immagine in attach) se la temperatura tra il tubo che va dall'vaso di espansione alla testa del motore e diversa da il tubo che va al radiatore la valvola è chiusa.


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15 Anni 2 Settimane fa #41620 da Pipinot
Risposta da Pipinot al topic temperatura acqua 1600D [CS]
allora da quel che ricordo, a spanne se una superfice è calda ma riesci a tenerci il dito, sono 60°, altrimenti se riesci a tenerlo solo alcuni secondi, sono 70°... ciò premesso:

acceso il motore da 3-4 ' il tubo vascaespansione-testamototre si scalda a c.ca 60°
dopo 10' va a 70°, mentre il tubo che va al radiatore si porta pure lui sui 60°

ci è voluto oltre un quarto d'ora perchè il tubo che scende dal radiatore, accessibile vicino alla ruota di scorta, si scaldasse sui 40° (e per questo ho come riferimento la febbre dei pargoletti)... poi visto che di ventole nemmeno a parlarne, dopo 20' ho spento, raggiungendo la solita indicazione lancettometrica: metà tra 0 e 90°.

la prox volta farò la prova elettrica (aproposito, in che zona è il sensore con il contatto giallorosso?)

Proprietario di Lucio Soffiettato, 1600D, classe 1983
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Lucio is compliant to TS2000 quality standards: a unique triestin way of problemsolving, the Viva là e pò bon methodology, that consist in drink a spritz and watch what happens around with a positive attitude

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15 Anni 2 Settimane fa #41621 da giusvald
Risposta da giusvald al topic temperatura acqua 1600D [CS]
scusate ma tutte ste prove di 60 70 gradi? per sapere se il termostato tiene, quando la lancetta segna meta e il manicotto inferiore e ancora freddo il termostato tiene, se invece il manicotto inizia ad intiepidirsi e meglio cambiarlo. i termocontatti per la ventola , devi levare mascherina fari e li hai sul radiatore sono 2. a questi arrivano 2 fili per termocontatto, li staccate e toccateli assieme deve partire la ventola, poi fate lo stesso con i fili del altro termocontatto, cosi provate se vanno le 2 velocita della ventola. non se funziona il termocontatto. per controllare questo dovete solo aspettare a far andare su l acqua finche non parte la ventola da se....se l acqua vi bolle canbiate il termocontatto.

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15 Anni 2 Settimane fa #41635 da Defer
Risposta da Defer al topic temperatura acqua 1600D [CS]
la prox volta farò la prova elettrica (aproposito, in che zona è il sensore con il contatto giallorosso?)

Se guardi sul documento che ho inserito sul post precedente lo trovi indicato con un cerchietto rosso
:wink:

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15 Anni 2 Settimane fa #41641 da Defer
Risposta da Defer al topic temperatura acqua 1600D [CS]
Ho trovato una foto che avevo fatto allo switch olio in cui si intravede anche il sensore che stai cercando con relativo cavo rosso/giallo

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